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notageek wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:10 pm The problem I have with Nolan is that he gets pedantic with his stories. Leave something out for the viewers imagination.
Fair enough, but by contrast in the Tim Burton Batman case there's a difference between leaving out details for the viewers imagination and underdeveloped stories/plot holes (for example, where The Penguin found blueprints to the Batmobile). It's very easy for a lot of filmmakers to use the "your interpretation" excuse to blanket over writing flaws. What you are describing is more what Nicholas Meyer would do like having Khan only take off one glove... details that unanswered are not important to and/or derail the overall story.
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How the blueprints were found is unimportant because it adds to the mystery, infamy of The Penguin.

If this were Nolan, you'd have seen an long drawn out backstory of how Penguin had a PhD in Computer Quantum Mechanics from MIT and had invented an algorithm that could change the entropy of objects altering space time continuum. When Penguin applied the algorithm on his algorithm he invented the Batmobile in the future. He then reversed the algorithm to bring back the blueprints in the current timeline, while working on entering people's consciousness in their dreams.

Total run time of Nolan's backstory: 45 minutes.
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notageek wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:30 am How the blueprints were found is unimportant because it adds to the mystery, infamy of The Penguin.
Have to totally disagree here. It just makes Bruce Wayne's operation look completely incompetent, and it's just a plot convenience. What you have just described is most definitely an example of hiding a plot convenience under the guise of interpretation. Just because the Penguin is infamous doesn't mean you can just arbitrarily give him abilities like that... it means the a writer have failed at making him a serious threat through establishing elements. It's no different than in Star Trek XI where the villain Nero just disappears for 25 years then decides to attack again with no explanation... sure I could waste my time speculating why he did such a stupid action, but why should I expel the effort fill that blatant writer void?

A better example of an interpretative event is the Penguin having so many henchmen being largely clowns... well that is explained by the circus element but the audience may speculate that they are also leftover henchmen of/people who still revere the Joker. That speculation does not derail the plot in any way.
If this were Nolan, you'd have seen an long drawn out backstory of how Penguin had a PhD in Computer Quantum Mechanics from MIT[...]
Except Batman Begins didn't have this for Ra's al Ghul... or the Joker likewise for The Dark Knight. Just because some Nolan films suffer this does not make a general rule for his entire work. It shows that there can be a balance between complete backstory reveal and underdeveloped writing.
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I recently re-watched Dune, originally saw it as a new release in the theater. Maybe I'll re-read it before the new one comes out.
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Morality124 wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:22 am ...
At the beginning of the film Penguin said other people's trash is his treasure. It is not far fetched to imagine the blueprints were discarded and somehow made it into the sewers, where Penguin found them. But as I said, it's unimportant how he found those blueprints. Gives Penguin mythical abilities.

Ra's al Ghul's backstory is characteristically Nolanesque i.e. completely incoherent. Follows similar plot lines, a man identified as Henry Ducard is Ra's al Ghul actually and the man identified as Ra's al Ghul isn't. And then there's the over complicated climax. A poison is introduced into Gotham's water supply but in order for it to lethal/effective the poison has to be vaporized with a giant microwave. Why, poisoning the water supply isn't lethal/effective enough? It would be far more difficult to decontaminate an entire city's water supply. A real villain would've done it and the effects would've been devastating. There's jack shit Batman or anybody could do. Typical Nolan-esque incompetence through over-thinking, over-writing.

Joker's backstory is so bad that he couldn't stick to one story line. Abusive father. Abusive wife. Blah... It was so bad that it spawned a stand-alone Joker movie. Guess who didn't get a call to make this movie? Nolan.

DK Rises? Wow everybody knows who Batman is. But Batman, greatest detective doesn't know who the villains are. And how does one cure a broken back? With a rope.

Nolan should recuse himself from any film-making to preserve his own dignity. Terrible storyteller.
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the joker doesn't have a backstory, the point of having multiple backstories is that he is an impulsive liar and a manipulative asshole. It is by far one of the most amazing ways to convey the disturbed mind the joker has without beating you over the head with it.
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ezzi wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:40 am the joker doesn't have a backstory, the point of having multiple backstories is that he is an impulsive liar and a manipulative asshole. It is by far one of the most amazing ways to convey the disturbed mind the joker has without beating you over the head with it.
Yeah seriously... this is no different than Garak lying about his backstory on Deep Space Nine. It seems strange that anyone would interpret this as Nolan having backstory indecision during the writing process.
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Joker single-handedly destroyed all the organized crime in Gotham and helped people on the boats see how considerate humans they were. Joker did what Batman couldn't do i.e. save Gotham.

Wait what? A chaos mongering terrorist is actually a humanist? Wow, how wonderful! Totally consistent with being an inconsiderate psychopath.
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joker's goal in that movie is not crime (it might be chaos as he claims it is but I'm not certain as he lies constantly) the joker views himself as one of the only people who really sees things clearly and is his true self, he only wants to guide others to do the same as he believes they will be just like him if they can only be shown the truth.

I believe his character was written with the knowledge that terrorists have altruistic goals even though their methods are abhorrent. the joker doesn't want to see the world burn because he's a psycho, he wants to see it because he believes if everyone could just see what he sees they would all just want to burn it down.
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ezzi wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:52 am joker's goal in that movie is not crime (it might be chaos as he claims it is but I'm not certain as he lies constantly) the joker views himself as one of the only people who really sees things clearly and is his true self, he only wants to guide others to do the same as he believes they will be just like him if they can only be shown the truth.

I believe his character was written with the knowledge that terrorists have altruistic goals even though their methods are abhorrent. the joker doesn't want to see the world burn because he's a psycho, he wants to see it because he believes if everyone could just see what he sees they would all just want to burn it down.
Wow, you are actually making me want to see that movie.

Watched Assassins last night. It was reasonably interesting. Muso would appreciate it.
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Ready Or Not (2019)
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Looks interesting.

Although similar to another movie where a woman is invited to a manor or her fiance brings her home and everyone's getting killed or they're hunting her. Can't remember the movie.
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It was one of those movies I usually let it play in a corner of the screen while doing something else, and for some reason the movie became interesting enough to turn into a full screen movie watch only activity, thought I'm not attracted by the horror genre.

As a side note, the most unforgettable horror movie I've ever seen is "Final Destination", it had quite a few sequels, some of witch were very good, too.

"Alien" also come to mind from the close to horror genre, but that's mostly a SF movie IMO, and "Scary Movie" also, but that's a comedy.
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Self/less

Interesting film. Not fantastic but not too bad
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Repo! The Genetic Opera (2008)
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Contagion, a movie released in 2011 is remarkably similar to the current situation.
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Mortal Kombat (2021)
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The Mitchells vs. The Machines (2021)
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