Firefox browser alternative - the new FF v89.0 is unusably slow (and also uglier)

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Firefox browser alternative - the new FF v89.0 is unusably slow (and also uglier)

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Got an update today, to v89.0, and Firefox is now close to unusable. They ruined it.

The ugly new look can be disabled by going to "about:config" and type "proton" then click on the found items to set them to "false". At least temporary, it works (will still have only icons in the shortcut's home page instead of snapshots of the bookmarked websites).

My problem is that v89 is incredibly slow when compared to the previous one. I'm on a desktop, i7-4790K 8 cores at 4GHz+, Kubuntu 20.04 LTS, 32GB of RAM.

Anybody else seeing big speed loss after the upgrade to v89?
Any way to get the speed back to normal?



LATER EDIT:
YouTube is very choppy, like it would be a 10 frames per second video game, thought there are no lost frames and with other browsers same video plays OK. This was the last drop, now I want to migrate to a better browser.



What would be a good browser alternative to try? Preferably something that can import from Firefox. Must have these features as plugins or native:
- Dark theme (preferably native)
- Dark Reader (plugin to auto-convert any webpages to dark mode)
- uBlockOrigin (or alike, must be able to block a custom element, no forced whitelisted adds)
- SingleFile (annotate and save webpages offline, as HTML)
- Tab Backups & Restore (can save or export a text list of tabs and their addresses)
- Tab Manager Plus for Firefox (tab manager with good search in tabs capabilities)
- Stylus (Grease Monkey like plugin, to override CSS or webpage rendering)
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Re: Firefox browser alternative - the new FF v89.0 is unusably slow (and also uglier)

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try these to see if it improve things (look wise)
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Re: Firefox browser alternative - the new FF v89.0 is unusably slow (and also uglier)

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Try these to revert some of the UI changes
about:config ->
browser.proton.enabled
browser.proton.contextmenus.enabled
browser.proton.doorhangers.enabled
browser.proton.modals.enabled
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Re: Firefox browser alternative - the new FF v89.0 is unusably slow (and also uglier)

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Mozilla does whatever Google orders them to do. Just recently they had killed PWA without any explanation whatsoever. I think Google ordered them in some form, either they stop supporting PWA, or Google cuts funding and Google search in Firefox browser. Why Google wants to see PWA dead? Well because it decentralizes the Mobile Applications distribution, which is a death sentence to Apple and Google app stores, we see how Apple now furiously fights Epic Games over Fortnight's internal store which had no commissions to Apple, and for which they were banned on Apple App store and Google Market, they banned Telegram some years ago over the same thing, Telegram wanted to make some kind of market, without paying Apple the fees. It is a monopoly on software distribution, and these companies are doing everything to preserve it.
Back to topic, I think since Mozilla is a slave to Google and you are a slave to Mozilla it's better to cut the middle man and be a slave to Google directly, other browsers are just insignificant forks of Chromium, Chromium has no PWA, you won't have it in any other browser as well, you can't make a new Browser anymore, it's so complex and huge that it's like making and maintaining an entire OS.
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etnull wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:05 pm Chromium has no PWA, you won't have it in any other browser as well, you can't make a new Browser anymore, it's so complex and huge that it's like making and maintaining an entire OS.
Well i'd imagine a large percentage of the people on here already make and maintain an entire OS, such as Gentoo :) So maintaining a second OS under your already so complex and huge OS should be no big deal. That's why you should minimize all dependencies and simplify usage of your OS, so you can understand all the components and their usage. You have to do the same with browser engines, start small with things like text browsers with html/css parsing and then delve into the nightmare that is javascript and its EMCA script offshoots.

If you stop using javascript, its like eliminating *kit's and *bus's from your system entirely. Everything becomes much simpler and faster.
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Re: Firefox browser alternative - the new FF v89.0 is unusably slow (and also uglier)

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awillserver wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:27 pm[...]
I like the idea of being able to run "grep" to search text in the web pages.
What about browser fingerprint?
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I blocked 89 and up today. disgusted with the popup coming from the browser. Falkon is much better behaved but sorely lacking in documentation. I generally run it from a Vt as "falkon <URL>" although it isn't nearly as ugly as FF once I blundered my way into "tabs on bottom" and a few other configurations.

Edit: re falkon, I really really have to build a qtwebengine-bin based on k8 and use that instea of taking hours to build qtwebengine over and over. On a 2700X:

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~ # genlop -t qtwebengine
 * dev-qt/qtwebengine

     Wed Jan 13 23:27:50 2021 >>> dev-qt/qtwebengine-5.15.1
       merge time: 1 hour, 35 minutes and 11 seconds.

     Sat Jan 16 20:49:30 2021 >>> dev-qt/qtwebengine-5.15.2
       merge time: 1 hour, 52 minutes and 28 seconds.

     Fri May 21 11:51:26 2021 >>> dev-qt/qtwebengine-5.15.2_p20210224
       merge time: 1 hour, 18 minutes and 7 seconds.

     Fri Jun 11 18:56:27 2021 >>> dev-qt/qtwebengine-5.15.2_p20210421
       merge time: 1 hour, 18 minutes and 8 seconds.
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Re: Firefox browser alternative - the new FF v89.0 is unusably slow (and also uglier)

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Tony0945 wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 3:49 am

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Fri Jun 11 18:56:27 2021 >>> dev-qt/qtwebengine-5.15.2_p20210421
       merge time: 1 hour, 18 minutes and 8 seconds.
You know your not making friends with your stupidly low qtwebengine build times, right?
But yeah, firefox is a disaster, Falkon recently stopped filtering things in it's ablocker that it should filter, which is a shame because it's fast, clean, and configurable other than the extensions.
Some of the ublock origin guys have been working on a "firefox compliant" extension API in an apple webkit fork for some years now, it's apparently ready for testing, but I have too much self respect to buy any apple product apart from granny smiths, it is good news for the rest of the world though.

Firefox has some legacy passwords stored in it, so I keep it around for that now, and switched most tings to vivaldi, with falkon as a backup. Vivaldi is not "safe" ootb though, got loads of google shit built in that needs disabling (after you've got the extensions you want from the chrome web store, cost me some time that!)...
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I tried to watch this, but any man with that poor of a quality of facial hair, without the nouce to shave it off, I cannot take seriously; he lasted 20 seconds, hope it's not you ;)
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Re: Firefox browser alternative - the new FF v89.0 is unusably slow (and also uglier)

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Not me, I've been shaving for 60 years. Once, about 15 years ago, I stopped for a few days. In the evening on the fourth day, my wife said, "You can either shave before coming to bed or sleep with the dog." In the morning, my boss said, "Oh, you shaved."

EDIT:
Sorry, that was the slow box.

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Sat Jun 12 23:02:00 2021 >>> dev-qt/qtwebengine-5.15.2_p20210421
       merge time: 52 minutes and 1 second.
Still, even on the fast box:

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Sat Jun 12 21:19:24 2021 >>> sys-devel/gcc-10.3.0
       merge time: 1 hour, 55 minutes and 49 seconds.
Merging three of these for profile 17.1 was torture. especially when I had to do it twice,
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Ralphred wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:57 pm
Morality124 wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:45 pm
I tried to watch this, but any man with that poor of a quality of facial hair, without the nouce to shave it off, I cannot take seriously; he lasted 20 seconds, hope it's not you ;)
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Tony0945 wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:36 pmI stopped for a few days.
Imagine going through your whole life not knowing what you are supposed to look like, I'd be buying nicely scented dog shampoo if I were you, six months should be enough to get a rough idea...
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Ralphred wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:59 pm
Tony0945 wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:36 pmI stopped for a few days.
Imagine going through your whole life not knowing what you are supposed to look like, I'd be buying nicely scented dog shampoo if I were you, six months should be enough to get a rough idea...
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