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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- ... ech-report
Former president Donald Trump will claim he is the leader of the Republican party and its "presumptive 2024 nominee" when he makes his first public appearance since leaving office during the Conservative Political Action Conference next weekend in Orlando, according to a report.

A longtime Trump adviser told Axios his CPAC speech will be a "show of force," and said the message will be: "I may not have Twitter or the Oval Office, but I'm still in charge." The source reportedly added that "payback is his chief obsession."
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Trump is the best thing that could happen for the Democrats.
He could make the Republicans unelectable, just like Michael Foot do for the labour in the UK.
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Trump truly is pathetic. He's more of a tinpot dictator.
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Grass roots republicans are desperate to get rid of him but as Trump has become the unofficial face of the party each official risks:
a) alienating their support where they represent
b) losing to a Republican who is willing to support Trump

It was not lost on lots of people that every Republican who had just been elected to the senate or was retiring voted to convict Trump.

It seems like it is damage limitation in the Republican party because Trump is toxic to them but those that refuse to support him will not only have to contend with Democrats after their seats but also Republicans who pay lip service to the toxicity support Trump affords them.

It wouldn't surprise me if the party splits in two over this
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I doubt there will be a split in the Republican party. May be there will be a small split, with Romney in it.

But the Republican party will fight 2024 with Trump and will probably lose by a landslide.

I doubt there are many Americans who would vote for a despot.
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cokey wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:16 pm Grass roots republicans are desperate to get rid of him
Actually just the opposite is true. The grass roots conservatives of all parties like Trump. It is the Establishment politicians (that you support) of both major parties that hate Trump.
cokey wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:16 pmIt wouldn't surprise me if the party splits in two over this
That is very possible.
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Cokey, identify any current national politician that is both grassroots and Republican.

And, separately, but for a bonus, why was it that Trump's children could not vote for him in the Republican primary?
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flysideways wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:25 pm Cokey, identify any current national politician that is both grassroots and Republican.

And, separately, but for a bonus, why was it that Trump's children could not vote for him in the Republican primary?
Marion Barry and Rob Ford.

I read it in a piece about the health of the Republican party over a week ago. I found it interesting that some republicans had to support Trump even though they thought it was wrong and did so just so other republicans wouldn't come along and take their place.
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cokey wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:16 pm
flysideways wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:25 pm Cokey, identify any current national politician that is both grassroots and Republican.

And, separately, but for a bonus, why was it that Trump's children could not vote for him in the Republican primary?
Marion Barry and Rob Ford.
*face palm*

I hope you're being funny and you know that one is a Democrat and the other is Canadian...
I read it in a piece about the health of the Republican party over a week ago. I found it interesting that some republicans had to support Trump even though they thought it was wrong and did so just so other republicans wouldn't come along and take their place.
This is true for both the Democrats and Republicans in the US... However, the media celebrates when a Republican sticks their knife into the back of another Republican (see John McCain) but will do everything to destroy a Democrat that does the same thing to their party (see Joe Lieberman).

Lots of rank and file members hate politicians of their party and might vote against them in a primary to pick a new candidate, but will always end up voting in the general election for the person they hate because the other side is inherently evil. PoliticianA might only vote the way I want them to 25% of the time and routinely stabs us in the back, but he's better than PoliticianB, even if I might agree with PoliticianB 50% of the time, because PoliticianB is going to caucus with the other party, whom I hate.
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@cokey, what grassroots political movement preceded Trump?
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saellaven wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:12 pm
cokey wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:16 pm
flysideways wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:25 pm Cokey, identify any current national politician that is both grassroots and Republican.

And, separately, but for a bonus, why was it that Trump's children could not vote for him in the Republican primary?
Marion Barry and Rob Ford.
*face palm*

I hope you're being funny and you know that one is a Democrat and the other is Canadian...
I think you're missing the main point out... they're dead. They are like Dennis and Dee in It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia: crack heads



saellaven wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:12 pm
I read it in a piece about the health of the Republican party over a week ago. I found it interesting that some republicans had to support Trump even though they thought it was wrong and did so just so other republicans wouldn't come along and take their place.
This is true for both the Democrats and Republicans in the US... However, the media celebrates when a Republican sticks their knife into the back of another Republican (see John McCain) but will do everything to destroy a Democrat that does the same thing to their party (see Joe Lieberman).

Lots of rank and file members hate politicians of their party and might vote against them in a primary to pick a new candidate, but will always end up voting in the general election for the person they hate because the other side is inherently evil. PoliticianA might only vote the way I want them to 25% of the time and routinely stabs us in the back, but he's better than PoliticianB, even if I might agree with PoliticianB 50% of the time, because PoliticianB is going to caucus with the other party, whom I hate.
Hmmmm. Should the politician do what he thinks is right or should he do what the people he represents wants him to do?
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flysideways wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:20 pm @cokey, what grassroots political movement preceded Trump?
Bernie Sanders 2016
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flysideways wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:25 pm why was it that Trump's children could not vote for him in the Republican primary?
Are they registered Democrats?
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Menelmacar wrote: Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:08 am
flysideways wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:25 pm why was it that Trump's children could not vote for him in the Republican primary?
Are they registered Democrats?
It was reported at the time that they were still registered Democrats and they passed the deadline in New York state to change to Republican. And, as registered Democrats, they could only vote in the Democrat primary.

In Texas we don't register party affiliation. You can vote in either party's primary, but not both.

Cruz won Texas, beating Trump and getting more votes than Hillary in the Dem primary. Bernie won the county that includes Austin.
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cokey wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:25 pm
flysideways wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:20 pm @cokey, what grassroots political movement preceded Trump?
Bernie Sanders 2016
That was concurrent, but how'd it turn out? Any better than the TEA party's fate?
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flysideways wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:06 am
cokey wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:25 pm
flysideways wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:20 pm @cokey, what grassroots political movement preceded Trump?
Bernie Sanders 2016
That was concurrent, but how'd it turn out? Any better than the TEA party's fate?
Annoyingly, pretty badly. I think he had some pretty good ideas and the figures worked out when taxing the obscenely wealthy to pay for healthcare.
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Republicans bring golden calf to CPAC conference:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gold-c ... trump-cpac
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